Object in Badly-Fitting Underwear Shocker

As I wrote a few days ago, the anti-sex campaign group Object recently released a study into the “link between porn and violence”… Except that (despite endlessly claiming there is a link), they have yet to provide evidence of it. Instead, they commissioned a poll asking the public whether they think there’s a link. If this seems a little dishonest… welcome to the world of anti-porn propaganda!

So we conducted our own poll. We don’t have Object’s resources, so instead we asked our blog readers a question, and applied rigorous scientific techniques to the raw data (technically this is untrue – but hey, they started it!)

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The question was:

Do you think that hatred of sex and sexuality is caused by:

a) Genuine fear that it is harmful,
b) A twisted and hateful view of humanity,
c) Badly fitting underwear?

Following weighting, tweaking, revising, massaging, and other made-up techniques, our results were as follows: a) 4% b) 46% c) 50%

So there it is: the public have spoken – who needs experts? If this approach is good enough for Object, it’s good enough for us. We wanted to help, so we reached out to lingerie retailer Voluptasse.

Voluptasse CEO Melissa Buck-MacFarlane told us:

“Object are not alone. Badly-fitting underwear is the bane of many women’s lives. So many of our customers have told us they see the world in a better light after we have helped them find something that suits their body type.

There are four main body types: Apple, Pear, Hourglass and Sporty. Once one has identified one’s own shape, fitting lingerie becomes so much easier.  We would like to offer Object, their supporters, and readers of the Sex & Censorship blog a 10% discount. Simply visit our site and use the offer code OBJECT.

We also invite Object supporters based in the Lancashire area to a consultation for a personal fitting. We will be happy to extend the 10% discount to our wide variety of hand-chosen sex toys.”

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15 thoughts on “Object in Badly-Fitting Underwear Shocker”

  1. One thing I have found out about Object or NMP3, if you wax lyrical about your favourite Page 3 girl it really freaks them out.

  2. The biggest police of women are women.

    I’ve got evidence of OBJECT being a hate group and from my various exchanges with them on twitter and looking at their various statistics I can not possibly take them seriously which is a shame because I can see and understand a need for a pressure group to focus on dealing with specific issues affecting women. Its that the groups like OBJECT aim their sites low with scoring victories with Dapper Laughs, Julien Blanc, No More Page 3 which are trivial fluff in comparison with domestic abuse and female genital mutilation and more

    Women need to get their priorities in orderor risk being labelled moanie minnies if they dont score somme real wins of note.

  3. Jerry

    I will not be buying pants from Voluptasse, regardless of the discount. Having had a look at their website I see they sell ‘Debbie Does Detention’ and other ‘sexy schoolgirl’ outfits. While I don’t believe that eroticising school children directly causes child sexual abuse I do believe that it helps to normalise it, or minimise it. I also find such materials deeply offensive to survivors of abuse by teachers and other school-based staff.

    Also can you please stop saying that that a member of Object has ‘spat on a sex-worker’. If somebody had made a formal complaint this would be investigated as it is a serious allegation which we would never condone if it were true. Nobody ever has and the only ‘source’ appears to be your blog.

    Also, was it necessary to say where I live on your blog?

    Terry aka Naked Truth guy.

    It is particularly ironic that you tell us off for not campaigning on FGM when you and Jerry were happy to be leading the last XBIZ EU/ UKAP event which included a participant who profits from extreme racist porn including knife related violence to black women’s genitals.

    Your ‘video evidence’ from an anti-porn protest shows women heckling men who make violent abusive material but not Julius Kedvessy pushing me and targeting our youngest supporters by flashing his camera inches away from their faces. I am not surprised at this selective editing.

    Porn debate

    If you let me know the blank times in their schedule I will book a location in Tower Hamlets near the Hilton for one between Object and Alec Helmy and Jonathan Todd when they are staying at the Hilton Hotel at the XBIZ EU event next September.

    Finally, you can tell your colleague Daniel Factor that his recent anti-Object post on “self indulgent entitled middle class people sitting around in trendy organic fair trade cafes in places like Stoke fucking Newington” is probably the funniest bit of trolling of 2015 so far.

    Roz Hardie

    1. Dear Roz,

      do you know how it was possible for gays to be “illegal” till the 60s, do you think people were less intelligent, less empathetic? No, it was due to the constant demonization of gays who would amongst other things be accused with corrupting children’s minds and instilling them with immoral values, by gay haters under the pretence of protecting children for the good of society. For what? Different sexual practices, nothing more.

      Your group is very much the same. You will cherry pick the the worst in porn, amplify it and use it to generalize ALL porn to support a ban. Why? Because these human beings exhibit different sexual practice to what you deem “appropriate”, nothing more.

      I could understand if you went after actually violent porn, but you don’t you generalize ALL of porn. That’s like saying all Catholics are child abusers.

      Lets be clear about this, you are the bullies, you are the hate group, you discriminate and you want to restrict other’s natural sexual behaviour and you’re using children as a shield to further your hate for porn, because your actual arguments and evidence are lacking.

      You are the gay haters of the 21st century!

      1. Peter, there’s a blanket term for the propaganda tactics you describe: throwing shit in the hope that at least some of it sticks. It’s a phenomenon which even our chimp cousins would recognise for what it is!

  4. Dear Roz,

    “While I don’t believe that eroticising school children directly causes child sexual abuse I do believe that it helps to normalise it, or minimise it.”

    Your personal beliefs are of no consequence to anyone but yourself, unless you provide some concrete evidence to back them up.

    “I also find such materials deeply offensive to survivors of abuse by teachers and other school-based staff.”

    Who exactly appointed you to speak on behalf of survivors of abuse?! The offence you presume to take on their behalf is, like your beliefs, of no consequence.

    “Also can you please stop saying that that a member of Object has ‘spat on a sex-worker’. If somebody had made a formal complaint this would be investigated as it is a serious allegation which we would never condone if it were true.”

    Whilst I condemn any unsubstantiated allegations, you and the members of Object Now would be well advised put your own house in order first in this respect!

    “Your ‘video evidence’ from an anti-porn protest shows women heckling men who make violent abusive material…”

    What it shows, unabiguously, is members of your organisation engaging in potentially libellous and defamatory verbal abuse of attendees of the XBIZ EU after-party at Spearmint Rhino in the Tottenham Court Road; amongst those pictured being subjected to abuse were female workers in the porn industry. And how exactly have you gone about defining “violent abusive material” in this instance – what parameters exactly have you used?

    If you dispute the accounts of that evening’s events as presented on this and other blogs, and on YouTube in the aforementioned video, why have you not presented your own counter-evidence (in the form of videos, photographs, etc.) to refute these accounts and support your own?

    As for Daniel Factor’s recent blog post, it’s only funny because, like the best comedy, it’s so close to the truth!

    The Walter Mitty anti-sex worker organisation is well past its sell-by date; why don’t you do the decent thing and wind it up, eh?

    Kindest regards,

    Brute

  5. I think the issue I have with Object is they are so disingenuous, when asked questions or told about dead links they cry troll or they didn’t know. On top of the video of the abusive attitude when dealing with anyone who disagrees we have the half truth. My all time favourite is the book by Sandrine that is rolled out as a book by an ex dancer, you never hear about the Object employee who co-authored the book. Bit like finding out a book about smoking is co-authored by the tobacco lobby groups.

    But you do make a good read especially with the attendance at Essex Feminist Collective event where the same tired half truths were rolled out. These trotted out as fact to councillors, however now with Leeds data slowly becoming available there is yet more information showing the claims about links to sexual violence not only don’t exist but seem to be the opposite.

    Like the facts from the JRRT data which I cannot find on any of the IPSOS databases that are freely available. There is no information of how the data was gathered and who was interviewed. having seen academic research appear to be different to your claims perhaps saying who was interviewed and how the sample was selected would give more weight to the claims.

    The fact that you only corrected your web links after being showed up on Mumsnet 8 or 9 months are the links died because your most valuable justification had been removed.

    Finally when I first came across Object it expressed in it’s charter that is was to help dancers with their employment rights which when you consider trying to shut their jobs down doesn’t really sit well with me.

  6. Sorry got to add it comes to something when Object have to distance themselves from Laurie Penny with her views about porn…. When you consider the Dines TED talk perhaps you should watch the Erika Lust one? Roz this is not trolling, although no doubt you will cry mansplaining troll as an excuse not to respond, rather these are opinion pieces of people who disagree with your opinions. Of course claiming troll has become a stock comment when anyone raises actual concerns but people are starting to see through that… no threats, no abusive language just facts plain and simple which you will not respond to I am guessing.

  7. “Finally when I first came across Object it expressed in it’s charter that is was to help dancers with their employment rights which when you consider trying to shut their jobs down doesn’t really sit well with me.”

    Has Object Now ever entered into an official dialogue with either the GMB or Equity about dancers’ rights during its 12 year history? And has any of its directors even heard of the East London Strippers Collective?!

  8. It disappoints me that you seek to turn healthy adult play into a homage to abuse. It is quite different.

    As a survivor of abuse myself, it offends me that you use something that happened to me to suppress the choices that women are entitled to make. I am happy for ANY woman to dress in an outfit that they enjoy wearing because I support a woman’s freedom of choice.

    As the owner of Voluptasse I have endeavoured to cater for all shapes, sizes and need of my customers, including a specialist range for those who have had breast surgery. I included costumes because they are a popular choice for my female customers who enjoy age play or quite often are attending fancy dress parties.

    What my customers wear is THEIR choice and the bedroom activities between consenting adults is THEIR choice. Please explain more about how the behaviour of consenting adults normalises child abuse or minimises it?

    I shall await your response.

    Melissa MacFarlane

    1. Object Now engaging in agency denial?! Now, THERE’S a surprise! 😉

      P.S. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Roz Hardie to come up with hard evidence to support her ‘sacred’ beliefs, if I were you…

  9. I must just add that it’s very telling that Roz Hardie should choose THIS thread to comment on, when there are several more serious ones concerning Object Now which she could (and probably should) have addressed instead. A sense of humour bypass and a failure to take a serious point about her meaningless use of stats at the same time? 😀

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